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gosh, I can't understand this. I still don't understand it. I don't see what's-- I mean, he's won. The economic conservatism seem to be still dominant. The foreign relations, foreign affairs, he seems to be on top of.

So why this resistance on race? I mean, what benefit is it? I don't understand it. The only-- no, I don't even think this makes much sense, coming back to the Kerner Commission report on the two nations, that actually what is emerging on this-- and I don't know whether it was calculated or not-- is that maybe the politics of the Republican and the Democratic Party is emerging as one in which the Republican Party is going all out to use race as a way of becoming the majority party, becoming the predominantly white party, of which the majority of the American people are, and that the Democratic Party will be caught in the quandary of having ninety per cent of the blacks as still Democrats, but thereby losing a substantial percentage of whites.

That's the only thing that could make any kind of sense to me, and I'm beginning to see that the Democrats are starting to worry about that. I mean, even Ted Kennedy is being subtly indicating in his last week's statements that maybe the Democrats ought to become more realistic, and by realism now is meant at best centrism. And maybe some Democrats want to go beyond that toward greater conservatism.

If the Democrats feel that their survival as a major political party will be--[TAPE INTERRUPTION]