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frustration than I observed in Whitney. Don't forget, Whitney came out of social work; Martin came out of the ministry. I don't know whether that's related to the incidence of frustration. But near the end of his life Martin would be talking to me about his frustration in two areas: the black separatist movement, which he wasn't able to understand too well. Nor was I. And the problems that he was facing in the north. Chicago. They were a much more difficult thing to deal with in terms of methods and approaches than the struggle in the south. He never did understand Mayor Daley. We were supposed to be talking about that--in fact we had an appointment (not a specific one) when he came back from Memphis we would put our heads together with my associates here. But Whitney, when we talked there was never quite that kind of frustration. Whitney was concerned about black separatism and how we could bring them around, but it wasn't from the perspective of frustration or sense of defeat.

Did you ever have the sense that Martin Luther King's not understanding Mayor Daley or understanding the organization--that there was something about politics in the north, big city politics, that Martin Luther King did not fully grasp?

That's it.

In the south he was not working so much against, or trying to work with, a political organization, was he?

That's right.