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the harm. And that, for me, is a sort of posturing thing in itself. No. Jesse did not need Farrakhan, and Farrakhan has benefitted immeasurably from the association with Jesse, in terms of media coverage and being invited to the press club and things. I just find this kind of thing in the American media difficult to understand. You know, making a public figure out of a man who had no influence that I saw. I don't think he had much influence even after this public fling. Are we near the end?

Yes we are; there's about one minute there. Let me ask you another question about Andy Young. Did he talk to you about running for mayor of Atlanta?

Yes. Yes, we talked about that. And again, my conservative approach was, “Look, that's going to restrict your national influence.” But he's been a good mayor, from what I understand. I have talked with him since he's been mayor, and I have visited with him.

From what you've read and observed would you say that probably has not restricted his national influence?

No, not very much, except at the last convention. No, Andy was resilient. I like Andy very much.

Would you say the flipside of that coin is that actually as mayor of Atlanta he probably has more influence than as a former diplomat,