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Yes, but when he saw my CBS accreditation, he assigned somebody to me, and I went in there. I might say that when I worked with Mike Wallace on that program in 1959, “The Hate That Hate Produced”, I did interview Malcolm for that program which may have been his first big time t.v. exposure.

Sure.

You mentioned those early interviews and they've been re-issued by Wesleyan University Press. I believe just earlier this year, was it not?

Yes.

You gave me a copy of this but I think we were off tape. If I did not ask you this before, what was the genesis of re-publishing the three interviews, King, Malcolm, and [James] Baldwin?

Well, I suppose Jeanette Hopkins who is the head of the Wesleyan University Press felt that maybe the time had come to, given the dormancy, the regression of civil rights concerns, she felt that maybe it would be important to look at this as an historical--not only as an historical document but one which should be looked at in the light of contemporary problems. You notice my introduction, I put some emphasis on the prophetic quality of their ideas in 1963, and the relevance of some of the things which they said then to where we are now. That was, I guess, what Jeanette Hopkins had in mind. I