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Certainly, we have been flirting with the whole area of moving away from the Freudian approach to dealing with neurotic and psychotic problems, toward medication. I'm sure they have gone very far in that direction, too.

I had thought that psychologists in America were much more sophisticated, in terms of a monistic perspective to the problems of the nature of man, until this thing broke. And I realized that we were really shackled to traditional Platonic dualism, of the complete separation between the mind, the spirit, you know, on the one hand, and the body on the other; that physicians could manipulate the body, but psychologists should not intervene with any degree of precision, in terms of control of mental processes.

That was a shock to me.

You think that you'll have a little different reaction when you give your talk to the APA in September?

I'm going to give it in a different way, but not retreat one inch from what I have to say.

I certainly wouldn't expect you to, Dr. Clark.

It's going to be said -- well, for example, I'm going to talk about the implications of this kind of thing in terms of dualism, monism, and I'll put it in a somewhat different perspective, hopefully -- well, with the hope that they will see that I wasn't just talking, you know, impetuously. Now, they knew I wasn't