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were. We were careful, in that sense, of formulations. Not that everybody picks it up and reads it like a scientist, but it was easy to read and attractive kind of thing, so it was helpful in that sense.

Then there was the question of distributing that publication. See, fund raising was an enormous problem. An enormous problem. To raise money to mail a piece of literature to 70,000 members was a fantastic problem, complicated in many, many different ways. [tape stops and starts] Under the rules of the Department of Labor, the union has to make it's mailing lists available to us. That means we make a request that we want so many copies of the labels, for which we pay, and the union is to tell the mailer to give it to us. This procedure was delayed so long that it became impossible to even think of first class mail. They deliberately held off giving it to us, for obvious reasons -- they wanted to delay it. That made it possible for us to send it second-class mail, so that if we ever wanted to mail something to 70,000 members we had to mail them first class mail. And we sent out three mailings!

But you had to. In an election of 70,000 people you have no alternative.

You cannot reach them. You must have mail. Not only that, but the mailings were very carefully figured out, in that sense. So the whole question of fundraising was a crucial matter, and everybody applied themselves to it. The members contributed alot of money. There were dances very, very often which raised anywhere from seven to ten thousand dollars at a dance.

Is that right?

That's right! Right, right, right, right! There were all kinds of activities going on -- raffles, all kinds of things. I personally, through direct mail, raised in excess of thirty thousand dollars with three mailings to a relatively small number of people. People in the direct mail field tell me that that's very, very, very unusual. I don't think I sent out to more than 500 people -- probably less, fewer people.

No, it had to be more. I remember how many --

You ran off 350, 400 copies. But they went back to the same people, and we kept going back to the same people.

What percentage of people gave?

A very high percentage. I don't know exactly, but a very high percentage. The overwhelming majority of the contributions were in