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He calls me on a Friday, Raskin, he says, “I'm going to my son's graduation in Ithaca” -- not at Cornell, at Ithaca College. He said, “Will you know the final result?” Because at that time the DOL was going to announce the results. “This is my number where you can reach me. If I'm not there, leave word in the hotel.” I left word in the hotel, at the board. Late that night he called me from there. He said, “Moe, I've got your message but I want to verify, because it's running Monday.” So once I know it's running Monday, I call -- on Friday I call Wyclif. I had been saying to him, “Look, I can't promise, but I believe that Raskin is doing” -- because I knew that that is a jab to them, that they want that kind of thing. They like the idea. So he comes in on Saturday with his editorial. Raskin comes in on Monday.

At that particular time I remember vividly, Dennis is in Washington lobbying with Major Owens on a very, very low level, but on a very high level with congressmen and senators. Major Owens had Kennedy's people, are taking him around on the deal, well to get them to move to seat us. See? Remember that's the question -- we know but we're not being seated. They're holding it until they're -- and we were mounting this fantastic campaign. I remember during that week Dennis calls me, he says, “Moe,” he says, “I shouldn't ask you this. I shouldn't ask you this. But the people here say that if there were an editorial in the New York Times it would be fantastic. So I remember on Monday morning, when the editorial came up, Dennis called me from Washington. He says, “Moe, you're a genius!” [laughs]

Anyway, but I never could get Newsday to editorialize, but what I did get from Newsday -- I remember I used to see David Moberg's name on the OpEd page at Newsday.

Is that right?

Yes! So I called David Moberg one Sunday, I'm figuring out “What?” I called Moberg, I said, “David, it can't be that Newsday is dying to have you write for them on the OpEd page. It's already seen two of them, there was one Saturday. I saw one before, and I made a mental note that I ought to call you about it.”

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“By the way, if we get some action in the paper, I can get an editorial in the Times.” After all this kind of thing, no problem. Anyway.

You were talking to Moberg.