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Victor recommended him. We had to have a presence in Washington, you know, on that. You know the guy who was guiding us from the TDU?

Arthur Fox.

Arthur Fox, who had been with us all the way through. I hate to say this, but we had to, at one point, had to ask Arthur -- and he understood it -- that he had to step out, because his name was all we needed. It was like waving a red flag.

It went on and off. Is it going to be certified? Is it not going to be certified? We heard rumors “Yes,” rumors “No.” Everything was going on like that. Then finally, finally, we had reason to believe that there would be a decision that particular week. The decision didn't come that week. Then I was in on a four way call to Washington where the person on the phone, see one person in this attorney's office -- Zwerdling is the attorney. Daniel Zwerdling of NPR? It's his father. Used to be an associate to Steve Schlossberg at UAW. At that point this guy said, “Look. We have it on the highest authority that you're going to be seated.” “What do you mean by the highest authority?” He said, “I cannot say anything more than that, except to say that we have a council on our staff who came on three months ago, who came from, she was the council to the Senate Labor Committee” -- Karen something. “Karen had lunch on Friday with somebody who told her not to worry.” Also there was a fiftieth anniversary, some kind of sixty- fifth birthday party for Zwerdling on Sunday at his summer home. It was attended by all kinds of people. He reports to us that “You don't have to worry. A decision will come no later than Wednesday.”

By 11:00 I was in Bob's office. A call came in from Richard Levy. He had just got a call -- we are certified. You know, it was like lighting candles. The first thing we said to each other, “Now, the party starts. Now the problems stop.” And the first thing came up is Al Heaps going to swear us in. Al Heaps decided that he would swear us in on a ceremony at Local 338 on Thursday night. Only the people who are to be sworn in are to be present, with their attorney. Our attorney can be there. We can have one photographer. That's all. “You cannot go into the building until Friday 10:00.”

I remember that, because that was one of the last times we were doing the interview. You had the party here, and it was a question of when you were going to get in.

Turner's people all day long, trucks were pulling up and taking stuff out of the building. That's where it is.