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I won.

Now I'm just going to tell you one or two city council stories, and then I guess we'll have to stop.

At the year-end of the campaign, there is a vote in the city council increasing the expense account from $3000 to $5000. And Woody Kingman is the only member of the council to vote against it, because he's the only member who's running. I mean mine is a special election. I'm the only councilman running because they don't run in '66.

Was this because Ted Kupferman was elected to Congress?

At least that's my recollection: that the others were not running. In any event, he's the only one who votes against the increase, and then when they increase from $3000 to $5000 (you get a salary of $10,000 and you get an expense account now under that new law of $5000), in a grandstand play, he says he will not take the money, the extra $2000. He will give it to the public library. This is bull shit, okay? But That's the nature of politics. I've got to do much better than that. And so I say, “That's not what I'm going to do with the $5000. I am going to take the entire $5000, and I am going to hire ten experts to work as volunteers on my staff, each to get an honorarium of $500, and I'll have an expert in city planning and in financing and in parks and in housing.” There were ten