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always Rover. “This is Rover One. Come in, Rover Two.” At the other end, so help me God, the voice was a very heavy Jewish inflected voice, which I'll try to emulate, “Come in, Rover Vun.” (laughs) Then Rover One, meaning Berman, who's also Jewish, by the way, but the posh type that likes to forget it, I think: “Rover Two, is there any mail and what are my appointments.' “Just a moment, Rover Vun.” Then he comes back, “Rover Vun, no mail, no appointments.” And that was it. I just thought it was very very funny. That's it.

On this ad, do you recall that there was much criticism from reform activists?

Oh, yes, that he was using his position as a legislator to in a sense enrich himself by getting a job.

And this would be a violation of the reform ethic.

Well, I don't know about a particular violation of the reform ethic. Other people didn't like it either. You didn't have to be a reformer. It was silly. You don't put an ad... You can say, “Legislator...” I don't know what you would say. I would never put any ad like that in. But I suppose you could work out an ad that might say, “Legislator, whose duties will permit him to work nine months out of the year, looking for a connection with a law firm that will accept that kind of thing,” So if you sort of downgrade it, but you're conveying the