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words in my mouth. I believe in preferential treatment, and even if it hurts” -- and here my recollection is he said --” even if it hurts our people,” meaning the Jews, “that's okay, too.”

Well, there you had this combination of Stanley Geller, which I told you about -- Forest Hills -- and you had that earlier business about “the whites are being beaten up in Mississippi -- that doesn't count.”

Maybe we can stop there.

Let me just pinpoint this statement. You said you went to Mississippi in August of 1964.

I think it was August, 1964.

Was this before or after the second election for district leader?

It was before. Yes, I think the election would have been the September primary.

This concludes the interview with Congressman Koch on December 23, 1975.