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What's your impression of Nelson Rockefeller's intellect in a general sense and political savvy?

Okay. His intellect I think is first-rate. His political savvy as a candidate: par excellence. I just don't know anybody who is as good a candidate as he is in dealing with people. There is an enormous ability to put his arm on your shoulder. I mean people have made parodies of this, but it's very nice -- it's very good. A caricature and a cliche relate to things that are true in a sense. I mean you make a cliche out of a truth and a parody out of something that's real and worthwhile except that you parody it. Rockefeller is a first-rate candidate and as a person I think a very able guy.

Let me tell you one other Rockefeller story and then we're going to have to stop. When Rockefeller was being nominated as Vice-President, there was an effort on the part of Jim Cannon to drum up support for him by the New York delegation, because aside from the Republicans they wanted some Democrats from New York. It doesn't look nice not to have any New Yorkers voting for him and after all this isn't a general election. So Democrats would have to vote for some nominee. Otherwise he couldn't get elected in terms of being appointed by the President. You know, the President submitted the name for the vacancy when Ford became the President. After Nixon resigns, Ford then selects Rockefeller, and Rockefeller's name is submitted under the 25th amendment to