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restaurant. But when they enforced the law, they have to enforce it against everybody. You cannot have singing. You can have incidental music in the restaurant, which means no more than three instruments, but you cannot have singing. And they arrested this gypsy for singing. (laughs) So when she went to court they said, “Were you singing?” “No, I was just humming.” (laughs) I mean it was ridiculous. (laughs)

Was she convicted, incidentally?

I don't think so the courts didn't want to convict, so if they could get around it, they did.

To go to the other part of the question, though, later on did another type of ownership take over?

It was a very commercial operation. I wouldn't even say later on. From the very beginning these were commercial operators who latched on to what they thought was a good thing. The initial one was the Cafe Bizarre. That was the worst of the beginners. They opened on West Third right off MacDougal, and it was aptly named - it was bizarre. It was an old garage which the guy had converted. They had very raucous -- nothing wrong with it, but very loud -- electric guitars and such, and the crowds would come down there, and it made it awful for people