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California trustees--Mr. Ahranson and your friend, Ed Pauley. But for one reason or another--all of which were extremely annoying and frustrating and foolish, and most of it connected with some mistakes that they felt Roger had made--they neither helped us nor did they give any money, both of them very rich. The ground-breaking ceremony went off moderately well.

Robert Kennedy was there.

Not Mrs. Kennedy but Robert Kennedy and Jean Kennedy. In the morning of the ground-breaking ceremony, we had had a meeting, and Roger Stevens and I both had said that we would give what for us were very substantial amounts of money to help get other trustees to give and to encourage other gifts. We really asked for other money. Well, Robert Kennedy asked a few questions about some details that he didn't understand and which were asked really out of ignorance and then said he thought they would withdraw the use of the Kennedy name unless these and these things were done, which were things of totally minor importance and inconsequential. Well, this really infuriated me because why would I make an offer to give a very substantial amount of money toward something if in the next moment he was going to go to Congress and ask them