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Mrs. Roosevelt. She is the one that introduced me to Mrs. Roosevelt. I think I told you how the day war was declared in 1941, Mrs. Roosevelt had planned that we have a lunch to interest the Public Health Service and the Children's Bureau in planned parenthood. She went to the Congress with her husband to declare war and I was left at the White House with this lunch, very unsuccessfully conducted under the circumstances.

Does she continue to be an active ally?

Yes, but she's been sick a lot herself, and she's not interested in the details of it, and she doesn't do anything... In the late '40s and early '50s she knew some of the Senators that I didn't know. She knew Johnson better than I did in those days, and she knew Young and she know some of the Republicans because when she was Assistant Secretary our Defense she had to know Senators. But I got to know the people that I needed to know in the Congress, and what with one thing and another and having supported a lot of them over a period of time, I really know the people myself now. She doesn't have any natural preoccupation or interest in medicine herself. She's suffered a great deal with migraine headaches. Neither does her husband, Paul Hoffman, who has been remarkably well and healthy always