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and especially heart, and he said he would speak to the Budget Director about increasing the budget. We were somewhat hopeful about it but never too sure that this would actually happen. Matt Connolly, his executive assistant, was very jolly and also said he'd take the matter up with Webb. Leslie Biffle, the Secretary of the Senate, whom I visited in his new office as Secretary of the majority at the Capitol, he, too, said he would do it but that it was really too late for anybody to do any good as the budget had to be printed on January 2nd and was probably in type then. However, none of the other three had mentioned this difficulty to me and nothing happened either, as the budget came out with only four million dollars on January 2nd, just what it had started with.

Were they merely trying to be courteous and courtly?

Certainly! But they didn't succeed eventually in thwarting us.

I would think, Mrs. Lasker, this is the sort of thing you encountered all the time in dealing with legislators and others.

Oh, all the time. However, gradually some of them came to our point of view.

And I suppose you came to the point where you readily recognized sincerity. . .