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which we had set up to arrange panels of interested doctors and laymen to testify on about the 15th of February. I testified with Dr. Paul White, Dr. T. Duckett Jones and Jim Adams, then of L, who testified for both cancer and heart before the House subcommittee on appropriations. The committee then consisted of John Fogerty, Chairman (Rhode Island); Christopher McGrath, Democrat of New York; Dr. E. H. Hedrick of West Virginia; and Frank Keefe, Congressman from Wisconsin; and a man called Scribner, a Congressman from Kansas.

He was your bete noir.

Oh, terrible. Scribner was openly hostile to more funds for any kind of research. Hedrick and McGrath were anything but enthusiastic, but Keefe really saw the scale of the needs, and Fogerty's instinct was to go along with Keefe. Fogerty only became really interested in the subject by around the Spring of 1950 and then his interest increased, but that's another story.

Did you do something to help him increase his interest?

Yes, yes, We spent time with him and we tried to interest him in it in various ways. He was an entirely different person from Keefe; he'd been a bricklayer; he was a labor representative from Rhode Island, but he was a nationally bright Irishman who had a heart, but he was very tough. That's a story that I'll tell