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Would gamble, you know.

Yes, it depends on how the publicity works.

That's one area where you're an expert.

Well, but there are experts in the area; and it depends on what the experience of people like Gutterman, who have guts, have, because if they find that they have a few patients who might be glad to be vaccinated in the beginning. We'll see. But there is actually a virus that everybody agrees about found by Gallo at the National Cancer Institute. He was a winner of the Basic Research Lasker Award.

There's another aspect to this whole picture that you need to bring me up-to-date on, and that is the monoclonal antibodes of Dr. Milstein at Cambridge in England, because it's related to this whole thing.

Yes, well, it is hoped that monoclonal antibodies ... in fact, you can in animals now find an antibody that will go... and you can make it radioactive with a certain drug that will find the type of cancer cell that it's an antibody to and carry it to that cell and destroy that cell.