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was just something that you had to endure. I don't think Hylan can be accounted for by saying that Murphy was more interested in national or state politics than in city politics. To any Tammany Hall leader the city is the focal point. Everything else springs from that. I don't think at this time that Murphy had any ideas of running Al Smith for President. Oh, no, I'm sure not. I think Murphy was strictly a very good sachem of Tammany Hall, which is strictly for the city. Even the state was a kind of an adjunct.

The interference in Albany was on behalf of New York City clients and patrons. I don't think Murphy had great concern about state politics as such. He just was concerned to see that his own people in his own bailiwick were protected and didn't get legislation they didn't want. I'm very sure that was it. He was not a broad, philosophical politician. He was strictly a good operator of Tammany Hall. I'm fortified in that by the way Smith grew, developed and carried on external to Murphy. I'm fortified also by the career of Robert Wagner and by that of Jim Foley, Murphy's own son-in-law, who was not originally awfully broad-minded and philosophical, but who grew once he was free of that obligation about the city. I think Murphy was strictly a city man and didn't think much in terms of national politics.

When they used to send a delegation to the national