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“Sure,” he said, “but I think you might just as well tell me now you'll do it. Whose advice do you want?”

I said, “I want to ask Mrs. Florence Kelley.”

He said, “Oh, you do? What an idea. She'll say “Glory be!'”

I said, “Oh, I'm not so sure. I think she thinks there's a great distinction between people who work for the Consumers' League, who work for social betterment, and mere political administration.”

Then he said to me, “Say, there'd better not be any of that separation much longer if we're going to get good government. If you girls are going to get what you want through legislation, there'd better not be any separation between social workers and the government.”

At this moment I cannot tell whether I said “All right” then or not, but I think I did. I think I said, “All right. I will. I'm scared to death, but I will.” I went back to New York that night and I did see Mrs. Kelley the next day. I caught her as she was taking a train in Pennsylvania Station. We went and sat down and had a cup of coffee in the restaurant. I told her that Al Smith had offered me this and what did she think I ought to do. She was a very emotional woman - a very powerful person. She burst into tears and she said exactly what Al Smith had said she would