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done and should be done probably. They're not going to do it in a strike, certainly not; or by agreement with any union, certainly not. But they're willing to improve this and that. They would recommend it if things were a little different. At least you've got a break there.

Then you go and talk to the workers again, or have them in. You ask them what they would think about this, or about that as a solution for these special problems. From that you get an idea where they can give way on without losing face and where they can give way on their demands and still have something left that's good enough and will have solved part of the problem. You keep off the question of a joint meeting, because you know that's the hard place, until the last minute.

I was just moving as well as I could. I kept asking them to bring Spargo in. Mr. Ferris informed me that he was not Spargo's counsel. He was counsel for all the others, but not for Spargo. He had nothing to say to Spargo. I asked him if he would undertake to contact Spargo's counsel - he must have a lawyer. He'd been charged with shooting people and he must have a lawyer to defend him for that. So he did. He contacted Spargo's lawyer. He came back-red in the face and very angry late that evening and said that Spargo's