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sure he had a headache, a stomachache or something, but he just wouldn't be there. The first time that I presented the budget it was because he wasn't there. Somebody had to rise to the occasion. Gradually Smith began looking to me to analyze the budget, to post him on it, to carry through all the defense of every item. We had a line item budget in New York State, or did at that time, and you had to know every single item. I had some very good young people in the Department. They were very kind to me because they were so delighted to have somebody who wanted to learn and wanted to be helpful. It got to be so that for five or six years before I was Industrial Commissioner I was presenting the budget to the committees and to the head of the bureau of the budget, Joe Wilson, and of course that meant to Governor Smith. In any changes that were made in the budget - last night jockeying and so on - I was always the one asked to stay and agree to this and fight for that. That's the kind of thing you do in jockeying about of budgets - the appropriation committee is going to report this, you say you won't stand for it, somebody has to give way, you negotiate, you bargain and you get what you can.

I remember some of the great cases in workmen's compensation where we had to take a very new approach and a