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than there is now. I don't know who these high-binders are who are seeing ghosts in the air.

The problem in 1928 wasn't a Church and State problem. That was anti-Catholic. There was no problem of Church and State there. The separation of Church and State is a French philosophical idea - a French philosophical problem. The French evolved it as a political issue at a time when, because of historical circumstances, the Roman Catholic Church was the only recognized and permitted religious worship in France and when any Protestants were under a ban and were disqualified, as indeed Roman Catholics were disqualified in England, from holding any public office until modern times. In France the Protestants were disqualified from participation in the affairs of state. Also, because of historical circumstances, the Roman Catholic Church was in physical possession of large areas of land and property. Also, because of historical situations, the Roman Catholic Church was in possession of practically all education enterprises and institutions. When I say possession, I mean actual possession of them.

So that the movement for the separation of Church and State was one of the post-revolutionary movements that