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Things drifted from bad to worse. The result was that the Governor was calling me constantly about matters that he ought to have called the Commissioner about. He either couldn't get the Commissioner or he couldn't make the Commissioner understand what it was he was concerned about. He could never get a straight answer from the Commissioner, “Yes,” “No,” “It can be done,” or “It can't be done on account of XYZ law.” He never could get anything clear out of him. It bothered him a good deal and yet he didn't want to ask for Hamilton's resignation. There was quite an agitation at one time to ask Hamilton to resign. The Governor didn't want to ask him to for a lot of reasons. He didn't want to stir up Flynn I suppose. He didn't want to stir up the Bronx.

Anyhow he would deal with me. All the partitions dealt with me. They found out they never could get yes or no from the Commissioner. They couldn't even see him. That was what John Curry's reaction against the Commissioner was. “Who does he think he is? How did he get to be such a highbrow and so stiff that he can't see anybody and won't talk to them about anything?” I discovered that the reason he didn't want to talk to people wasn't that he felt that he was any better than they were, but that he couldn't talk with them. He didn't know enough about the subject to talk