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respectable Democrats upstate. There was George Van Schaick. By '26 he was very much in the picture. He's a nice fellow. I like him. I don't see him much now, but I used to like him. I think Harvey Ferris was playing off the team still. I think he got sore at Al Smith by '26 and he was casting his lot with others, although he always tried to horn in and have influence in the Democratic party - T. Harvey Ferris of Utica. In general we knew who these upstaters were. We dealt with them. I even went ahead once or twice to have some preliminary interviews.

I went ahead and had some interviews with women's organizations and women's groups to get them to come out to the meeting, and also to spy out the land as to what they were concerned with or worrying about. If they thought that the state hospital situation wasn't going fast enough or good enough, we'd have the Governor speak about that in some place.

He usually took Syracuse for his labor speech. I can't remember now why that was the case. There were several factories that had excellent working conditions. The Solvay Process factories were up there and the Hazards were Democrats. Mrs. Horace Eaton lived there and she was the head of the Consumers' League upstate. You could always get a big