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of political philosophy and political method, and was concerned also, of course, with international affairs in a very intensive way. However, I doubt if the New Freedom had in it anything about this social welfare and labor welfare development, what Europeans call social justice. There were some social justice concepts, such as the Farm Bureau.

So Wilson probably was in that line, but his prooccupation with other matters, which were very important, has obscured in my memory some of the things that were very great that he did.

There was no interest in the national scene in New York in the 1920s, but the ferment was, of course, at work. It was the ferment of an idea. The ferment of the idea was at work all through the world. It was what Europeans always called the concepts of social justice. Those concepts had just begun. They got going very strongly and obviously and outwardly in the New Deal, except that it was very radical and very important advance reform legislation in the field of the protection of human beings and the improvement of labor conditions in the state. It was much more detailed and specific than any legislation that had happened on the federal level, or could happen on the federal level.

This summer (1952) at the International Labor Organization conference we American delegates had to explain over and