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very promising man and I am surprised that Tammany elevated him.”

I later found out why Tammany did. It was Charlie Murphy who was trying to pick some promising, clean, intelligent young men, who thought that Tammany Hall couldn't go on much longer in Democratic influence without some bright fellows. You couldn't rely on the old war horses like Grady. He was great in his own way. You couldn't rely either on the bums who didn't know what it was all about. So he was trying to put in some new, young people, and he picked Wagner.

Paul Kennedy didn't know that at that time. He just reported that he was very promising and that he lived in such a nice, clean, little flat, such a nice little apartment over in Yorkville. It was so clean, so tidy, so comfortably furnished, but not pretentiously at all. He had such a nice wife, such an intelligent little woman, so modern, so well-mannered, so courteous, without butting into men's conversation. I remember Paul Kennedy saying, “She didn't butt into men's conversation, but she was interested in it.” It was a typical comment of the times.

He said, “Wagner is so different from the usual Tammany man. In the first place, he's a Methodist. He was brought up in the Methodist Church. He's of German