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with a fringe on it. The little boy was interested in it and played with the fringe, teased the cat.” Those were the kind of stories she had to tell.

Her husband, William Gorham Rice, was a very distinguished, learned and scholarly fellow. I remember this conversation about William Church Osborn taking place at their house. Who else was there, I can't now say, but there were a number of people there. I expect that the Marcus T. Huns were there. I think too that Miss Van Benthuysen was probably there, because I often saw her there. There wasn't a crowd, but there were perhaps eight or ten people there. There was somebody who was a member of the Legislature who had come over. They were talking about it. They were all very keen about Al Smith. They thought the world of him and were all great friends of his. They were all delighted that he had a chance to run for President.

There was a discussion about who should run for Governor and it was mentioned that William Church Osborn had turned it down absolutely. He said he wouldn't take it under any circumstances. Neither Tammany Hall, nor anybody else, could bring sufficient pressure on him to do it.

They were discussing people of that level. George Gordon Battle was mentioned at that time as a possibility. They were looking to that level of people, rather than to