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if that was true, and I wouldn't know. She certainly never said anything to me about it. I doubt that he said something to her about it, though she may have broached the subject. I really wouldn't know whether she initiated the idea, or whether he initiated the idea and consulted her. I knew after he had talked to me that he had consulted her and asked her opinion of it, because I think he told me.

I said, “I'm not sure that it will make such a hit with the women.” After all that was one of the reasons that he alleged.

He said, “Oh, yes it will. I asked Eleanor and she thinks it would. I asked Nancy Cook and she thinks so, and Caroline O'Day.” These were women that he saw all the time. He didn't have to go out on the highways and byways. He saw them personally all the time.

Al told me that he had said to Franklin Roosevelt that he should surely reappoint me to the Industrial Board, that I had carried the burden of the Commission and had really been the Commissioner. He should certainly reappoint me. I know that Franklin Roosevelt told me that Al had said to him, in response to his question as to what Al thought about my being Industrial Commissioner, “Well, I don't think that I would do that. I don't think that the men would