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Albany about two days out of every week. Those would usually be Monday and Tuesday and were particularly when the Legislature was in session, or when the budget was building up. The Governor had his heads of department meet with him in a kind of a quasi-cabinet relationship, although they weren't called a cabinet, once in two weeks. That was nearly always on a Tuesday. It was not on Monday because Mondays were big hearing days. That was the day we went before committees. The “cabinet” meetings were nearly always on Tuesdays in the late afternoon. That made it convenient for people to get to other parts of the state.

So it worked out without my actually having to move my family to Albany and live there. I did often have that feeling that I ought to have done it. Actually, as I look back on it, I think it was better to stay in New York. That's where all the problems were. I was in Albany enough.

It had been very, very easy to work with Smith. Even in the time when I had been doing this irregular sort of thing and actually deciding the principal matters of policy of the Department of Labor, when Hamilton should have been doing it, I could telephone to Smith and in the briefest kind of a telephone conversation I could outline what I had in mind, what I thought ought to be done, what I thought he ought to say, how I could get around underneath Hamilton if he, the