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That kind of thing was going on. I don't know when he became acquainted with Dan Tobin, but I remember Dan Tobin of the Teamsters floating around there and saying, “Hello, Franklin!” “How are you, Dan!” That sort of thing. It was probably an insincere greeting, but nevertheless it was a greeting. This was part of the great Democratic party. Things went that way. That was the way it was done. It was done with good will and kind of gushing excitements and emotional reactions.

I think Roosevelt also learned a good deal later when he made the campaign with James M. Cox for Vice President. Then he was told off to go everywhere under heaven. He made a terrific campaign in the sense of travel. The miles he covered were enormous. He stopped at all the whistle stops. He was young, vigorous, strong and he didn't falter. In a political campaign people at every little whistle stop come aboard the train and talk to whoever is aboard and whoever is leading the party. He heard from them all kinds of stories and yarns. He saw the country at the same time that he saw them.

During the 1944 convention he got on a train that stopped at Chicago. He saw a few select people out in the yards at Chicago. Then he was on his way to the West Coast for some reason. That was the place that those awful pictures of him were taken that made him look as if he were dying. They