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down to get something that they forget the speed of that wheel and the suction that it engenders.

I remember that in telling him that, I had to say, “For instance, in Fall River they had a scalping accident....” It was important for him to know that and to know that you could still have scalping accidents. He'd say, “Why, I didn't suppose they had things like that any more. That's barbarous.” In the State of New York we had been fortunate enough to have the law well enforced so that we hadn't had many such accidents since the new law had gone into effect.

That's what I mean by the illustrative material. He liked to have you tell him in some detail, which you couldn't do in a report, your conversation with somebody - “You went to see ‘So-and-So.' Well, what did the old cuss say?” He liked a verbatim report of what someone had said, because he was interested and amused by the quality of personality that came out with regard to this man in the conversation. He seemed human to him. He seemed real. It wasn't just a principle.

He never thought of employers as hard-hearted employers. Employers were good and bad. Some were good and some were bad. We always had our great friend Mr. Edmund Huyck who manufactured blankets. He was a good employer. The Governor could always recognize that. He knew that was a