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That wasn't what I was primarily interested in.

I wasn't primarily interested in making Roosevelt President. I was interested in promoting proper labor and social legislation in the State of New York, and if he wanted to be President, in the USA. It never occurred to me that any of my kind of people would have a look-in on the USA. I've already told the tale of when Al Smith first told me he wanted to appoint me to the Industrial Commission. I called up Mrs. Florence Kelley and had lunch with her. She almost fainted away. The thought that any of us should be asked to take over the responsibility was too much. I felt the same way about the federal level. If Roosevelt was going to be President, or if Smith was going to be President - they were the only two people whose Presidential aspirations I had ever been interested in - my concern was to see that they were Presidents who promoted the line of social justice I thought important. I'm sure that was it.

I don't remember taking part in any wangling about the delegates. I was all for preparing Roosevelt intellectually and in every other way to make a good impression as a candidate, but I wanted him to do it by committing himself to the things I thought were right. Roosevelt made a speech at a Governors conference out West in '32. I wrote a considerable part of that speech and had to work hard to get