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the continental divide, you may be up over 6,000 feet, but you don't know you're on a mountain. It's just high plains. Even though our mountains in New York may only be 3,000 feet high, you still get the feeling of mountains. You know you're looking at a mountain and they go up like a mountain. Whereas, when you're on the high plains with 6,000 feet to your credit you don't know you're anywhere but on the great plains. It's high, but there's nothing to see.

Roosevelt didn't have this passionate love for New York that Smith did. Smith loved New York passionately. He was really in love with it. He never stopped thinking about it. He never stopped admiring it. He would ask you, “Have you been there, or there? Did you ever drive up to ‘so-and-so'? Have you been where New York touches the Great Lakes at Charlottesville?” That's the port nearest to Rochester and Buffalo. It's beautiful. The St. Lawrence frontier is magnificent when you get up there. Of course, the Lake Champlain and Lake George area is beautiful. It's all varied and interesting.

Of course, the history of New York is so varied. Smith was up on the history of New York. Roosevelt was too. Roosevelt was a walking American history book. He had the kind of historical understanding and grasp that came about having heard about the events from people who had either