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condition of the poor one way or another. It was all a kind of a problem to him. He didn't understand it. His heart was in the right place. He felt sorry for people, but felt they should get their help somewhere else. There was nothing you could do one way or another by laws. It slowly came to him and you had to convert him to it piecemeal.

However, he would listen to you. The difference between him and other Assemblymen, who didn't know anything either, was that Al would listen. He had an open mind. He would listen to your arguments, to your reasons, to the facts that you would observe. Depending upon whether or not he had determined whether you were a trustworthy person or not, he believed your statement of facts. You could go into him with bills on a 54-hour week for women, bills on workmen's compensation, bills requiring that there should be seats provided in department stores for women, and he would listen. You had to go at him piecemeal on that. He had no preconceived philosophy on it, but if you could prove to him that the girl's back ached, that she was tired, that she didn't have enough to eat and so forth and so on, then it seemed only humane. If you could give him chapter and verse and show him situations where the employer had not allowed her to sit down, he couldn't believe it at first, but he finally believed your testimony that they were not