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He was so good with children. On Sundays he would take his children, my child and the Bruere children and he would teach them to swim. He would take them in and fool around with them.

What interested me was that he was amiable in his personal relationships - so extremely amiable in his personal relationships - and so vituperative and nasty in his public relationships. He is the sweetest, most amiable, most friendly type of person on his personal side.

Another thing that it took me a long time to get used to was that you may be his personal friend, you may go swimming with him in the evening, he may teach your children how to swim, you may take his children for walks, you may be on the most intimate family terms and be really loving, neighborly, friendly with him, and in your public relations he'll give you hell if he doesn't agree with you, just like he would anybody else.

I'll never forget one incident which was later than this, but our friendship has continued always. He, in whatever he was doing in parkways and so forth, started to build some bathhouses at some beach in Long Island which Al Smith had taken over. By George, he just hired the local handymen and unemployed laborers to do brick masons' work. There was a city ordinance against that. It's just not done.