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don't want them. They'd rather have the money. They're burdensome to keep up. They don't want to live in that style and so forth and so on. So they love to give them to Moses and try to persuade him to take them over. Olivia James has just given her place and he just took it over last week (December 1952). How she managed it nobody seems to know, because there are a dozen others who would have liked to have given their places and Moses wouldn't take them. He's very choosy about what he takes. He won't take it if he can't see a real public use for it. He's not interested in a natural trust, or anything. If there's a house on the place, that's all right. If it's in good condition, he'll use it for an office and administration building.

He doesn't love the people. It used to shock me, because he was doing all these things for the welfare of the people and for their happiness and recreation. I would say something that would indicate what good people these were, how fine they were, how good these poor people were when they had the opportunity. “Good, nothing,” he'd say, “they're a set of lousy gold diggers.” He'd denounce the common people terribly. To him they were lousy, dirty people throwing bottles all over Jones Beach - “I'll get them. I'll teach them.” The public in his mind is not personalized. The public in my mind is personalized.