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I think a good many people have learned, by one device or another, how to dress and undress on the beach.

I haven't been there in recent years, but I remember when it was first opened we would go over quite frequently with Moses. He was trying to drum up interest. Everybody who went was fascinated with it. It was a beautifully done thing. He frequently gave a dinner party at his de luxe restaurant on Jones Beach. In those days it wasn't so crowded on a Sunday. You could go there. Now it's utterly impossible.

I finally said to him one day, “Bob, don't you know that they undress under the big umbrellas on the beach?”

He said, “Don't tell me about it, Frances. I've got a rule against it, but I don't want to hear about it.” In other words, he had become aware of it but for once in his life he'd found himself stymied. There was nothing you could do except run them in and he apparently wasn't going to go into the business of running in people in a place where he had invited them to come and enjoy themselves.

He did, I think, very much enjoy the public popularity that came to him personally out of the Jones Beach operation which was a terrific project. It's amazing that he was able to carry it through. In doing Jones Beach he proved to the satisfaction of the city fathers and the state authorities that there was a market for this kind of thing. He almost