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apparently a very able and very alert ferreting type of crew as aides and investigators. They turned up a lot of dirt rather quickly. I think they were holding private examinations and supplementary proceedings, or something of that sort, without the public being present, or the press, or any formal judicial process. They would call people of various departments down to their office of the New York State Building down at Chambers Street and interview them in a room and cross-examine them really, although there was no lawyer present. On the basis of information they had they would ask them, “What do you say about this? Do you know anything about that? Do You know ‘Lucky' Luciano? How did you know him? What have you done with him?” They used that investigator's technique of not revealing what they know, but giving the impression that they know a good deal, which alarms a man into the position of telling all. The phrase around town got to be “Are you going to ‘tell all'?” If it was known that you were called to Seabury's office, you were asked, “Are you going to tell all?” I think even the newspapers used phrases like “JONES TELLS ALL.” It became a matter of horror to a lot of public officials of one degree or another when they heard that an associate had been called, because they never knew what he would tell. A dreadful dread hung over them that in “telling all” he might inadvertently,