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emotional that people couldn't disagree with her. She was a very complex person. Her emotions didn't tear her to pieces. She was a very cool-headed person. She would get powerfully mad, and she did. She got powerfully and deeply mad at Roosevelt. She never let up on it. She was vindictive. It never left her. At the same time she would be perfectly cool-headed about the behavior of her husband and about his ideas. If he wanted to vote for Roosevelt, it would be all right with her. She might think it was just one of Henry's notions, but she wouldn't be wrought up about that. She would feel perfectly capable of getting squared off with Roosevelt in some other way.

All through this period she knew I was working for Roosevelt, working for his election, working under him. Yet we remained perfectly amiable friends. That's more removed than one's husband, but that's the way it was. I remember that Henry talked to me about it after Belle died. He knew Belle never really forgave Roosevelt, never could see his virtues, but Henry just regretted that she couldn't. She didn't have quite as much of a philosophical attitude as he did. She perhaps had more personal pride involved than he did.

Going back to the election of '32, Belle Moskowitz may have made a few speeches and may have done a little





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