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employers for collective bargaining. It was so simple, so unknown, so unthought about that nobody thought there could be any consequence to it. It didn't seem to mean anything. Those who agreed to putting it in said, “Well, it's all right, I guess. It doesn't mean anything.”

Getting back to my appointment as Secretary of Labor, my professional pride was attracted to this appointment as Secretary of Labor because of the fact that it would be a continuation and a geographical extension of the kind of thing I had done in the State of New York in preparing and promoting labor legislation and its fair, equable and honorable administration, in which the rights of employers, as well as the protection of individual and group working people, were to be respected. Therefore, my professional pride was attracted to this.

I don't think any other part of me was attracted to it. The Cabinet rank seemed like a pain in the neck. I had been in the Cabinet of a Governor and I knew pretty well that cabinets don't have anything to say about anything, except their own affairs. They administer their own affairs. Whatever advice they give is gratuitous and may be accepted or not. It's usually quite unwelcome, except when asked. I was very well aware, not by study alone, but by rather long contact with British government people, of the fact