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Smith at first. That was when he was a neophyte in politics. He was learning from Smith, Moses, Mrs. Moskowitz. He was inclined to follow their lead. He was very capable, but he didn't act independently very much.

I know that that reached Roosevelt's ears and that annoyed him. He was a situation in which to be annoyed because he had to demonstrate something to himself. I've always felt that.

Smith was in the position of a defeated warrior who had no release, no outlet and no job. Nothing so destroys a man of action as having no job to act upon. He was not a philosophical person. He had a basic philosophy which he could every now and then express very well. It guided him in his actions, but he couldn't go and teach it in a university, nor could he make speeches about it, nor could he write books about it. It was just not in his equipment for life. He was a man of action. It was clear that he, robbed of an important job, had lost half of himself and half of his balance. The tragedy was that there was nothing made available to him at that time.

If Louis Howe and Mrs. Moskowitz had died in an accident, I think these two men would have found a kind of a comfortable pattern of association and goodwill. The only positions within Roosevelt's gift to give Smith were