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people will call a lady, who is a friend of the family and whom they're not related to by blood, “Aunt.” They'll call her Aunt Mary when she's no relation at all. Friends of mothers and fathers will be called “Aunt.” They will say, “Here comes Aunt Charlotte,” and you will call her Aunt Charlotte the rest of your life.

So I take it, form Garner, that “Ma” had no more disrespectful tendencies. When Mrs. Ferguson became Governor, after her husband had been Governor, there were enough of the old ranchers left who had always called her “Ma” so that a lot of people began to call her that. He said first it was used as a mark of affection and later as a term of disrespect.

He also told me what I didn't know, because I have never been a radio listener, that there was a radio program then going on which was called “Ma Perkins.” Of course, one must remember that anyone with the name of Perkins has long since been accustomed to the fact that outside of New England, where the name is quite common - it is not very common outside of New England - people laugh and think it is a funny name. You get accustomed to that when you are very young. People in New York of Philadelphia though Perkins was a perfectly killing name and they laughed.

Also, Perkins was always the favorite name in cartoons for hayseeds. The hayseed of the cartoon was always “Cy