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Bureau of Labor Statistics to take over. I couldn't get anything out of him when Is poke to him. He either didn't know, or didn't know how to cooperate, or was frightened to death. He was a civil servant. He didn't need to be frightened, but he didn't come across with anything.

Mrs. Clara Beyer was subordinate in the Children's Bureau. I had known her before. She had taught briefly at Bryn Mawr at one time in their division of economics in the Labor problems part of their course. I had known her at that time. She had cooperated with Consumers' League things. I had known her in that way. She was the kind of person who knew her way around and I asked her, “Who's the most intelligent and informed person in the Bureau of Labor Statistics?”

She said, “Boris Stern. He's peculiar and funny, but he knows.”

I said, “Is he well-disposed?”

“Yes, “She said, “I think he's well-disposed.”

Any how, I sent for Boris Stern. He was the first person I struck among the old-timers in the old Department of Labor who could give me anything, who could tell me anything, who could help me at all intellectually. I conceived, of course, a great affection for Boris Stern from that moment on,