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called “The gentlemen of the press.” They were tending to their business and they weren't after a sensation. They were strictly getting the government department news, reporting it, and trying to understand it. You treated them respectfully and they treated you respectfully.

There was none of this, “Hey, boys,” stuff. I never heard them called “boys.” I think it's the most disgusting thing the way newspaper men, grown men, are called “boys,” and the women are called “gals.” I think it's just disgusting. It's a mark of disrespect and I think psychologically it's had a very bad effect on them. It makes them irresponsible. They accept the degrading appellation and then they feel like irresponsible boys and girls.

Of course, as long as Richard Oulihan lived I never heard anybody referring to him as one of the “boys.” The older generation, such as Mark Sullivan, were different. Mark Sullivan had been a reporter on the New York World in New York. He was certainly a gentleman of the press. Whether you agreed with him or not, his personal distinction was considerable, and so were many of them. There was Frank Simonds, and so on. That was the quality that you had thought of as being the gentlemen of the press in Washington.

However, in 1933 this great flood of the press came in to Washington and they began asking for interviews one by