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“Well, on the streets of New York. You've seen them lining up at the bread lines. Take them right off the bread lines.”

I said, “Take those poor men off the bread lines and take them up to the Adirondacks and turn them loose, Mr. president? What are you going to do?”

I spoofed him just enough so that he said, “Well all right, you work it out.”

I said, “I don't know how you're going to do it.”

“Well, Louis' got some ideas about this.” That was Louis Howe. The president had it all thought out. “We'll pay them a dollar a day.”

I had said, “How are you going to pay them and get relief to them?”

So he had said, “Pay them for the work. We don't want to pauperize anybody. We'll pay them a dollar a day.”

Already my mind had begun to work on who the unemployed were, how you were going to get them to the places where they were going, how they would know what to do when they got there. The President hadn't thought about that at all, except to take them off the breadlines. He thought you could just take everybody who was applying for relief and put them in the forests.

I said, “Well, you've got to have able-bodied people.”