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they were allies and would stick with me, George Dern, Harold Ickes, Jim Farley, I think Homer Cummings, not Henry Walla co. My memory is that Henry Wallace was of two minds with regard to the public works program. He is an economist, of course, and pretty well trained as an economist and was thinking very tightly in terms of economics at that time. Lew Douglas was also. Henry Wallace was very much in factor of relief. His only question was whether public works would be a relief program sufficiently effective as a stimulant of industry to warrant the great expenditure of public funds, which at a time like that, when we had no public funds and had to raise them by taxation, taxing wealth that wasn't there, would be a deterrent to economic recovery, There's perfectly good argument against a public works program, which is very expensive in time of heavy depression. Also, of course, he knew, as I knew, that it takes a long time to plan a public works program and get it into operation. He felt that some- thing much more drastic in the way of stimulating our industry was necessary. So he would not stick with me definitely as an ally on public works, but the others would.

The rest of the Cabinet, with the exception of Lewis Douglas, were not opposed, but that came later. I only knew at the time that we agreed to put through the bill and get the appropriation for a federal relief program that Lewis