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that Swanson really presided over that Limitation of Armaments Conference at Constantinople. He had a great many things on the ball. I remember Dern and Swanson speaking up on it, and the Secretary of State expressing a guarded approval of the idea, certainly believing that if it could be done, it would be a good thing. I don't recall any of the rest of us speaking up, because for the most part we knew nothing about it. It was not in our field of knowledge or interest, except for the fact that everybody felt that anything that would bring pacific relations the world around was a good idea.

Then the thing began to move along. After it began to move along the President was much interested in it. Maxim Litvinov came on to discuss it. Whether the President told us all about his talk with Litvinov, or whether he just told me, I can't remember. Certainly he told me about his talk with Litvinov. I think he must have told other persons too, but I think he told some aspects of it to me alone. I think he may have told it to one or two other persons. I'm getting mixed up all this. I may have read in Elliott Roosevelt's connective tissue between the letters what he remembered his father had told him about his talk with Litvinov, because it was not very different from what Roosevelt told me. I know that Roosevelt to me about it, anyhow, but whether he talked to others or not, I don't know.