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like other industries run? What about the boot and shoe industry? That's terribly depressed. They could come in with an awful plea that they have to be taken over. That's in complete chaos.”

I tried to get them to see that one thing would lead to another, that if they gave their industry to the government, some other industry would want to do the same thing. I knew about a good many industries that were losing money and couldn't operate. I knew about boots and shoes. I think I knew about the paper industry. I don't mean to say that I had any effect upon them, but I tried.

We held the hearing again in the afternoon. They went into more detail. By the end of the afternoon Harold Ickes was delivering speeches from the platform, urging them not to give up the industry. I was reenforcing him with a promise that the government would take every possible step to help the coal mining industry get back on its feet, that everything that could be done would be done, that there would be all kinds of assistance given to them. Ickes and I were underscoring the fact that it was their duty to keep their mines and “in times like these every man must do his duty.”

We broke up without any action having been taken, except that Ickes and I promised that we would study this matter, we would report on it to the President, we would see what we could do by way of devising alternative plans and