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done before on sea or land. I felt that my guardianship was to guard this public works program and to cooperate as far as I could in these other things, in the hope that they would be helpful in stimulating industry.

Lewis Douglas certainly wanted to kill the public works program entirely. Wagner and Jacobstein hadn't even taken it into consideration. It wasn't in their pattern at all. Wagner was in favor of a public works program, but he thought of it as being an extra program, another program that Congress should take up. His idea to stimulate industry was more along the lines of relieving the anti-trust laws, relieving certain employers of the anti-trust laws if they did certain things. There was no public works in it.

Richberg was committed to public works. He believed in public works. At this moment my memory fails me as to whether there was a public works program involved in his plain. When I finally got to talk to Johnson alone, I found him not very sociable - gruff, answering in monosyllables, and making it quite clear to me that he thought I had no business here, and I making it quite clear to him that I had business here and that the President had set me on it. I tried to be polite. That afternoon after the meeting of the Tugwell group in the State Department building broke up, I tried to establish a personal contact and personal friendship with Johnson.